144,000

Chris

Just finished listening to your podcast and wanted to drop you a line because a lot of what you spoke on are passages that I have been pondering as of late. I see similar conclusions as you but by no means do I see God's entire picture. Just a bit of it.

I believe that God is the master clue maker who hides things in plain sight in His word and will not reveal them unless we seek them out diligently. And so much of what we had learned in the Word needs to be re-learned because His word leads to divergent conclusions than what has be taught in mainstream Christianity, certainly in the last 50-75 years.

I have spent weeks studying the characteristics of the "144,000" from Rev 14 and tried to follow the "clues" that God leaves in His word. I just want to post a few of the things (certainly not all) that I see related to the 144,000 and the crossover to the things you spoke on in your podcast.

It is safe to say that these are the co-heirs w/ Christ that you mentioned in your podcast.

Hopefully i'll be clear.

The 144,000 in Rev 14 are:

1.  singing a “new song” – that only they know, understand or have been taught

2. “firstfruits” unto God- come to spiritual maturity first

3. associated with a voice which (John) heard "as the voice of harpers harping with their harps" (1 Cor 14:5-8 -"revelation, or of knowledge, or of prophesying, or of teaching...in preparation for war")

Passages in OT that include “harp” and “new song”:
1. Psalms 33
2. Psalms 98
3. Psalms 149

Passages in OT that include “new song” and “firstfruits”
1. Psalms 144
***Note: Firstfruits are described in Ps 144:12 “When our sons shall be as plants grown up in their youth”

This suggests that these Psalms are being used to further identify the characteristics of the “144,000” that are on Mt Zion in Revelation 14.

a. God uses these people during the time of judgement AND to execute judgement
b. Hence God has taught them how to “war” and “fight” with the two-edged sword
c. These people are to play their “harps” and sing their “new song” loud and skillfully
d.  These people are going through great distress and have to trust Him.
e. These people are being wounded by “hurtful swords” and by “aliens” (strange children) who speak falsehood and deceit
f. Their garners (or granaries) are full of grain (like Joseph’s)
g. They execute judgement on nations, nobles, kings and peoples.
h. God considers this an “honor” which all his “saints” have.

I do believe these people are being prepared now as God has removed their blinders spiritually and they are seeing much more. Most likely as a result of “not being defiled with women” and following the lamb wherever He goes, even if it contradicts what they learned in mainstream Christianity. I certainly don’t see the evidence today of how God uses them to execute His judgement. I do believe that they are being prepared.

 Darrell